Ellis Ross was elected the B.C. Liberal MLA for Skeena last year, after many years as councillor and chief councillor of the Haisla Nation at Kitimat. He has long been an advocate for resource development to provide employment and lift his community out of poverty and substance abuse. Ross spent two weeks as minister for natural gas development before the NDP and B.C. Green Party combined forces to defeat the B.C. Liberal government last summer.
Black Press legislature reporter Tom Fletcher spoke with him this week about his participation in a pro-resource development rally in Vancouver today, timed to coincide with the latest protest rally in Burnaby against Kinder Morgan Canada鈥檚 Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.
TF: I鈥檝e been seeing your about the resource situation, and you鈥檙e speaking at the at Jack Poole Plaza.
ER: I was invited. Some people were talking about it and someone mentioned my name as someone who might be interested in speaking.
A lot of people were watching my videos on Facebook, and I went to the (in February) and talked about it there. Everywhere I鈥檝e gone to, people have been asking me about what I was talking about. Other speakers (in Vancouver today) will be talking about specific industries, which is great, but I鈥檒l be talking about the overall impact on our society, our elections, our government, and the economy of Canada.
TF: We鈥檝e seen a lot of organized protests here in B.C. You鈥檝e talked about outside influences and people in your community being recruited to oppose energy development.
ER: It鈥檚 like a really bad Hollywood movie. Canadians being recruited as actors, and it says it right on the application form: we鈥檒l show you how to be an actor.
TF: There鈥檚 an application form?
ER: There is. There鈥檚 a number of different organizations involved, but it seems to me it branches out from the American funded organizations, like the Tides Foundation. But [the money] comes from the Hewletts, the Packards, those kinds of organizations.
Just on the surface, there鈥檚 been indications that the money that鈥檚 been influencing our elections has been manipulating people who have good intentions about looking at environmental standards, and overall trying to stop our resource development from reaching Asia. And after reading about all this, I wonder how deep does this go into our society? How ingrained is it in all levels of leadership, right down to First Nations leadership. Because it seems to me it鈥檚 all over the place, everywhere I look.
TF: It鈥檚 been going on for a long time, and some of it鈥檚 legitimate. Nobody likes oil spills. Do you think kids are getting a balanced view in school?
ER: No. In the campaign to become an MLA last year, I got beat up at high schools. I was told to expect it, about education and how the B.C. Liberals and teachers don鈥檛 get along. I was shocked to see that NDP buttons were handed out in high schools.
TF: You talked about resource development there?
ER: Yes. And some of the questions that students asked me were so detailed and so technical and so professionally written, I remarked to one student, 鈥榶ou know, when I was in high school, all I thought about was basketball and girls. I鈥檝e got to commend you for coming up with such a brilliant question. Even most adults couldn鈥檛 come up with that kind of a question.鈥� And there was some awkward silence.
What struck me about it all was a student body, under 18, were actually so focused on exposing me as an enemy of education. I tried to explain to them that without these resource projects, and the revenues that come with it, you don鈥檛 have the resources to pay for schools and teachers.
TF: Another LNG project quietly closed its office in Prince Rupert recently, and this leaves Kitimat, in your consituency, as the most likely to be developed?
ER: There are two of them. , through Shell, and the , the Chevron one. I always thought the two in Kitimat had the best chance, but there was such hysteria over Rupert.
TF: That was pretty well orchestrated too, with the focus.
ER: I questioned [Skeena-Bulkley Valley MP] Nathan Cullen about that. I wanted to know if he鈥檚 going to support that type of initiative, but he does support LNG, why doesn鈥檛 he come and support Kitimat projects? That was when I was Chief Councillor of the Haisla Nation.
TF: You go back to working for an LNG import terminal at Kitimat, before the shale gas boom in the mid-2000s?
ER: [Laughs] Yes.
TF: There was a this week about the next big shale gas development, in Saudi Arabia. They鈥檝e got big shale gas deposits too, and that鈥檚 a dictatorship, so there won鈥檛 be any protests there.
ER: There will be no human rights, workers鈥� rights, no environmental standards. They鈥檒l save so much money just on environmental standards.
TF: Are you still optimistic about the Kitimat area LNG projects? We鈥檙e starting to see reports in the business press about a projected shortage of LNG by 2020.
ER: I鈥檝e been trying for the last 13 years to be optimistic. But the more I learn about Canadian politics, B.C. politics, the U.S. interference and competing countries, it鈥檚 hard to be optimistic. There鈥檚 a perfect storm of all these different initiatives at the same time, to stop LNG, Kinder Morgan, mining, forestry, increased corporate taxes, revamped environmental assessments, for one of the most difficult environmental assessments in Canada already.
It just seems like B.C. is hell-bent on keeping our resources from reaching Asia, but we鈥檙e OK with sending it to the U.S. at a discount. This doesn鈥檛 make any sense to me.
tfletcher@blackpress.ca
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